Training in general is about repetition and recency. A jiu-jitsu or even judo is a great foundation for LE Def Tactics. Fighting from the ground is the worst case, nearly, and should likely be the most trained. More times than not, the perps I've had to physically take down or struggle with have been focused on getting away. The few that were just in it for the fight.... that was a different story.

We can train techniques all day long. We can teach people the simplest of movements and they'll screw it up. The first change I want to see in my students is their mentality and willingness to win. In an open skills environment, no "system" or "style" is always effective, just like OC is not always effective. To that end, maybe staying strictly private for a while is the best thing for you.

Remember, law enforcement training has traditionally been spurred by the fear of liability, not the survival of the officer. Once you overcome that mindset amongst the bean counters, you'll get your shot at proving the worth of your system.

Roger that.

blackknife,

I absolutely support learning groundfighting, just not a "sole" emphasis.
It should be learned, as Jody said, for the times the fight does end up there, and should be learned well. From your recent post, it seemed you emphasized ground fighting.

In my personal use-of-force experiences, I've done everything I could to keep the fight standing (not always successful), where I have more "tools" options. My approach has resulted in no officer injuries...yet.

As for your SGT, I'm sure you could take him down, if his emphasis was on stand-up alone, and you being more well-rounded. Any LEO that doesn't like ground control, is cheating himself, and making a bad decision.

I don't support close-mindedness either. Which is why I'm open to traditional and modern styles. I'm a synergist.

KS DT instructor is very well-rounded, BJJ,MT, Boxing, Traditionals. A cocky ground-fighting only student got serious during training and attacked him, and when the instructor shunned his attempt, he then delivered an angle kick to the students leg, breaking it and ending the bout. The student emphasized ground fighting, and the instructor emphasized synergy. The instructor also voluntarily left the SWAT team and agency he was a part of because a guy pointed a weapon in his face and he threw the guy in a standing kimora breaking his arm. The agency bitched at him for defending his life, because the perp. had money and was politically connected.

Again I agree with you, there is no magic one solution.

V/R

chaoscombat wrote:

Roger that.

I love Jody's idea of private instruction. You can still charge for it.
A lower instructor to student ratio is better anyway. You can charge more too.
Practice makes perfect.
Although not a huge Aikido fan, one of the most skilled senseis has a private dojo in France, and he ensures all pupils receive the best instruction he can administer. Versus a "belt shop".
Jody is right, the liability thing is a huge issue, but there are still agencies out there that care more for ofc. safety than liability. And those may be the ones that will host your training.

Your best resource honestly, is the LEOs on this forum. Offer them your training for a "word in" to their training manager if they were satisfied.
But if you are serious, first write a business plan, marketing plan, and an organized progressive curriculum.

V/R

Ive already set up a training outling. Had it approved by a chief that I reserved for while in NOLA. But his wonderful city councel cut his dept in half and now he cant get anyting approved.

Ive had a few private students while teaching at my old school. My instructor had me put a Tactical class togeather, that how I came up with this system, and we had officers and visiting TXNG soldiers attend periodically. I came here and cant even get anyone...LE, MIL, CIV show up or even call about it.

I was offered a teaching job at a local dojo but my shedule was so crazy that I felt I would do the students a disservice. I may go that rout for now. but Id rather catch the guys about to go in to harms way.

I teach my students to use the ground as an equalizer, but not to try to go there if possible. My "on duty" fights have nearly always gone to the ground, and its much safer to try to cuff there, but I have had to escape and get to my feet to deal with friends on a couple of occasions. I had teh skill set to decide when I wanted up, or wanted to cuff and end it. The only time this was an issue was when other officers wanted to help and got in the way, thus dictating the progression of the altercation. but with backup you have a little more room for error.

Marketing bro, marketing.
I can provide some advice to you...

Chaos, you sound alot like a gentleman I know, he and one other devised a eclectic martial art and started out small, he then went before a board made up of Grand Masters and peers, and now is recognised nationally. Since those days in the begining he has been recognised by "Black Belt Magazine" as Grand Master of the year and acclaims for his eclectic art are many.

Its all up hill...good luck.

Thanks Tuff. Its been very draining. I was ridiculed by my own "people" until they finally tried out my ideas. Im not claiming to have a new art, or any new moves. Just new training ideas. I think the principle of my chosen art can be taught to effectiveness in a much shorter time than most believe. Its all the same tactics that have been used for centuries. The thing is that people are much more intelligent then in years past. We dont have to spend 10 years to convey the same information. Muscle memory is an issue. Its up to the student to have the initiative to continue training. All Im trying to do is give students the tools to triain with. I think I can turn the tactics and strategies into a sort of "virus", a spreading of knowledge and skills that can spread within a dept. or unit. Hope I can get a chance to start the epidemic with a group somewhere.

The thing is, anything found in "Black Belt" magazine is discounted as useless in most LE/MIL circles. Unfortunately they just dont believe in anytihng "traditional". Not all agencies feel this way, but here in TX, where Im from, its the norm.